Thomas Roberts 1841 - 1919 and Hannah Maria Jones 1839 - 1924

In a further chapter we can see how Thomas`s siblings got on with their lives and gain an insight into their families, but for the moment we will see what happened to Thomas and Hannah Maria our Great or Great great grandparents whichever generation you happen to be placed in.

 

Thomas Roberts Great GrandfatherAt some period between 1881 and 1891 Thomas, Hannah Maria and most of their family moved quite a long way from their roots in Montgomeryshire to Llanystumdwy, Criccieth, Caernarvonshire.Gwynfryn Lodge, Llanystumdwy Their children number 9 and they are, Thomas the first born 1868 in Oswestry. His middle initial is W and to date I have not located his birth in the parish registers but I suspect that it could well be Wynn. Next was Albert Edward born 1869 in Llanfechain but sadly he died as a baby in the same year. Esther Jane was the next child 1871-1932. She was also born in Llanfechain, never married, and spent the latter part of her working life as a cook in a country mansion in Plastalhenbont Hall, LlanystumdwyLlanystumdwy but at some time in her earlier years she had returned to Llanyblodwel to look after her grandmother. She is buried in St. John`s Church cemetery, Llanystumdwy.

Edward was born in 1874 and we know nothing about him at present. He and his brothers Thomas and James apparently stayed behind in Montgomeryshire when their parents moved. I have traced Thomas and James but to this day there is no sign of Edward.
James born 1876 in Llanymynech is seen with the family prior to them moving to Llanystumdwy but after that his movements are very sketchy. I discovered him in 1891 working for his brother Thomas as a florists assistant in his shop in Dartford Kent and then in 1901 I think he has moved to Swansea and is working as a carter on the railway which probably fits in with his upbringing as a farmers son and well used to handling horses. But - I haven`t yet proved that he is the right James.

Going back a little to the first born Thomas who until quite recently was another missing brother, I managed to locate him in 1891 as a Florist and Seedsman in 29, West Hill, Dartford, Kent. A long way from home but it`s most certainly him. He has a wife, Nora Annie Williams born in 1844 in Greenwich and one child Nora Annie born in Beckenham. Also as mentioned previously, James is his assistant.
By 1901 Thomas calls himself a florist and seedsman and has moved to no. 19, Spital Street, Dartford and the family has increased - Nora Annie age 11, Etty age 9, George age 6, (named after Nora`s father), Jack age 5 and William age 1. Sadly, I have lost him again after 1905 so he must have moved out of Dartford as he is not shown in the trade directory for Dartford after that time. One day soon he will turn up or at least his descendants will!

Stop Press --- dated 13.10.2006. I have quite a lot of newly found information on Thomas`s family in Dartford which is on a new page. Take a look

David was the next born in 1877 also in Llanymynech and little is known about his earlier life and growing up period but we do know that he married Hannah Elisabeth Borman in 1936 when he was 59 years old. Hannah was a widow and was born in Rodyn, Abererch. She was 48 when she married David and her father was Emil Borman a sailor. David worked as a gardener in Plashenbont Hall, Llanystumdwy, the same establishment as his sister Esther (Etty).

Martha born 1878 in Llanyblodwel was known as Patty and it appears Martha and Esthers gravestonethat this was a common naming practice in those days. We certainly knew her as Great Aunt Patty as when we were children a day trip to Criccieth was for the purpose of visiting her. She remained a spinster and lived at Cream Cot, Criccieth. She died in 1954 and is buried in St. John`s church, Llanystumdwy. I have vague memories of the cottage the two ladies lived in but nothing more than that.. Both of them are buried alongside their parents in St. Johns church cemetery in Llanystumdwy.

 

Now then, Here`s the man himself: Walter Wynn Roberts born 1879 in Llanyblodwel and our Grandfather and Great Grandfather and Ggggrandfather depending on what generation you fit into.and he was two years old when the family moved to Llanystumdwy. Little is known of his formative years and the first we see of him is the details of his marriage and the following history which will be revealed in a later chapter.

The youngest daughter is Hannah Maria born in 1882 in Llanystumdwy. Named after her mother she was the best known to us as children. Hannah Maria married Richard Emmanuel Pritchard in 1912. He was born in Abererch and his father was Henry Edmund Pritchard a coachman. Hannah Maria and Richard had three children, David E. Pritchard born 1921, Thomas, birth date unknown, and William born 1922. Both David and William died young, 1951 and 1959 respectively and they are buried in Criccieth. No more is known about Thomas at present.

The reason behind the family`s move to Llanystumdwy is that Thomas had taken up a job as Farm Bailiff on a large estate known as `Gwynfryn` . Until I commenced with my research into our family history we believed that Grandad`s father had been a gamekeeper on the estate of David Lloyd George in Llanystumdwy and we were David Lloyd Georges Uncles cottagefrequently to be heard singing the lines of that song, `My father knew Lloyd George` with the Father substituted for Grandfather! But, of course this turned out to be untrue on the one part as his father was a Bailiff on someone elses estate and in the second part Lloyd George never had an estate there, only a dwelling. His estate was in Churm, Surrey. But, I am sure that Grandad did know Lloyd George as a young man and in all probability went to the same village school. Might even have had his shoes mended by the local cobbler who was Richard Lloyd the uncle of Lloyd George. Who knows!

Hugh John Ellis Nanney was the owner of the Gwynfryn estate at Llanystumdwy and Thomas became his Bailiff and lived with his family in the large farmhouse. The gamekeepers cottage is 100 yards further down the drive as are the workers cottages and the lodge where Thomas and Hannah retired to.

Little is known of the latter years of Thomas and Hannahs life in Llanystumdwy.
Thomas Roberts died on November 16th. 1919 and Hannah Maria Roberts died on October 18th. 1924. They are buried together and not far away from their two daughters Patty and Etty in St. John`s churchyard, Llanystumdwy.

 

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Thomas Roberts 1841 - 1919 and Hannah Maria Jones 1839 - 1924

In a further chapter we can see how Thomas and his siblings got on with growing up and getting on with their lives and also gain an insight into their new families but for the moment we will see what happened to Thomas and Hannah Maria our Great or Great great Grandparents depending on which generation you happen to be placed in.

Thomas Roberts Great GrandfatherAt some period between 1881 and 1891 Thomas, Hannah Maria and most of their family moved quite a long way from their roots in Montgomeryshire to Llanystumdwy, Criccieth, Caernarvonshire.Gwynfryn Lodge, Llanystumdwy Their children number 9 and they are, Thomas the first born 1868 in Oswestry. His middle initial is W and to date I have not located his birth in the parish registers but I do know that the name is William. Next was Albert Edward born 1869 in Llanfechain but sadly he died as a baby in the same year. Esther Jane was the next child 1871-1932. She was also born in Llanfechain, never married, and spent the latter part of her working life as a cook in a country mansion in Plastalhenbont Hall, LlanystumdwyLlanystumdwy but at some time in her earlier years she had returned to Llanyblodwel to look after her grandmother. She is buried in St. John`s Church cemetery, Llanystumdwy.

Edward was born in 1874 and we know nothing about him at present. He and his brothers Thomas and James apparently stayed behind in Montgomeryshire when their parents moved. I have traced Thomas and James but to this day there is no sign of Edward.
James born 1876 in Llanymynech is seen with the family prior to them moving to Llanystumdwy but after that his movements are very sketchy. I discovered him in 1891 working for his brother Thomas as a florists assistant in his shop in Dartford Kent and then in 1901 I think he has moved to Swansea and is working as a carter on the railway which probably fits in with his upbringing as a farmers son and well used to handling horses. But - I haven`t yet proved that he is the right James.

Going back a little to the first born Thomas who until quite recently was another missing brother, I managed to locate him in 1891 as a Florist and Seedsman in 29, West Hill, Dartford, Kent. A long way from home but it`s most certainly him. He has a wife, Nora Annie Williams born in 1844 in Greenwich and one child Nora Annie born in Beckenham. Also as mentioned previously, James is his assistant.
By 1901 Thomas calls himself a florist and seedsman and has moved to no. 19, Spital Street, Dartford and the family has increased - Nora Annie age 11, Etty age 9, George age 6, (named after Nora`s father), Jack age 5 and William age 1. Sadly, I have lost him again after 1905 so he must have moved out of Dartford as he is not shown in the trade directory for Dartford after that time. One day soon he will turn up or at least his descendants will!

Stop Press --- dated 13.10.2006. I have quite a lot of newly found information on Thomas`s family in Dartford which is on a new page. Take a look

David was the next born in 1877 also in Llanymynech and little is known about his earlier life and growing up period but we do know that he married Hannah Elisabeth Borman in 1936 when he was 59 years old. Hannah was a widow and was born in Rodyn, Abererch. She was 48 when she married David and her father was Emil Borman a sailor. David worked as a gardener in Plashenbont Hall, Llanystumdwy, the same establishment as his sister Esther (Etty).

Martha born 1878 in Llanyblodwel was known as Patty and it appears Martha and Esthers gravestonethat this was a common naming practice in those days. We certainly knew her as Great Aunt Patty as when we were children a day trip to Criccieth was for the purpose of visiting her. She remained a spinster and lived at Cream Cot, Criccieth. She died in 1954 and is buried in St. John`s church, Llanystumdwy. I have vague memories of the cottage the two ladies lived in but nothing more than that.. Both of them are buried alongside their parents in St. Johns church cemetery in Llanystumdwy.

Now then, Here`s the man himself: Walter Wynn Roberts born 1879 in Llanyblodwel and our Grandfather and Great Grandfather and Ggggrandfather depending on what generation you fit into.and he was two years old when the family moved to Llanystumdwy. Little is known of his formative years and the first we see of him is as a Grocers assistant in a shop in Llanberis at the age of 21 in the 1901 census and then 10 years later the details of his marriage and the following history which will be revealed in a later chapter.

The youngest daughter is Hannah Maria born in 1882 in Llanystumdwy. Named after her mother she was the best known to us as children. Hannah Maria married Richard Emmanuel Pritchard in 1912. He was born in Abererch and his father was Henry Edmund Pritchard a coachman. Hannah Maria and Richard had three children, David E. Pritchard born 1921, Thomas, birth date unknown, and William born 1922. Both David and William died young, 1951 and 1959 respectively and they are buried in Criccieth. No more is known about Thomas at present.

The reason behind the family`s move to Llanystumdwy is that Thomas had taken up a job as Farm Bailiff on a large estate known as `Gwynfryn` . Until I commenced with my research into our family history we believed that Grandad`s father had been a gamekeeper on the estate of David Lloyd George in Llanystumdwy and we were David Lloyd Georges Uncles cottagefrequently to be heard singing the lines of that song, `My father knew Lloyd George` with the Father substituted for Grandfather! But, of course this turned out to be untrue on the one part as his father was a Bailiff on someone elses estate and in the second part Lloyd George never had an estate there, only a dwelling. His estate was in Churm, Surrey. But, I am sure that Grandad did know Lloyd George as a young man and in all probability went to the same village school. Might even have had his shoes mended by the local cobbler who was Richard Lloyd the uncle of Lloyd George. Who knows!

Hugh John Ellis Nanney was the owner of the Gwynfryn estate at Llanystumdwy and Thomas became his Bailiff and lived with his family in the large farmhouse. The gamekeepers cottage is 100 yards further down the drive as are the workers cottages and the lodge where Thomas and Hannah retired to.

Little is known of the latter years of Thomas and Hannahs life in Llanystumdwy.
Thomas Roberts died on November 16th. 1919 and Hannah Maria Roberts died on October 18th. 1924. They are buried together and not far away from their two daughters Patty and Etty in St. John`s churchyard, Llanystumdwy.




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